• Sis Free N-gage Games

Rather old news. This happen a while back ago (about a week or two). Recently it was found out that some other symbian 60 phones can run the games. This does not mean all other phones out there will. Only the SX1 is confirmed since it uses symbian 6.1 and the SX1 is a hell of a lot more expensive then the n-gage.

Nov 10, 2003 Boards > Technology > Tech Board > Hackers crack ngage games. N-Gage games are only around $30 and anyone who can not afford to buy a $30 game must be.

Sure this is a big problem for nokia but it's not as bad as one might think. It's quite posible only a few n-gage games will work on other phones (n-gage dev kit is not just the symbian 60 sdk, there are extra librarys only for n-gage). Sadly there are very few systems out there that are uncracked (even the gcn is cracked to some extend since games can be downloaded and some games can be played via a network hack).

SirDragoon, 'Word is that Nokia said it wasn't possible for their games to work on other symbian 60 related phones. They will learn this as a lesson that you don't lie to people and think the problem will go away.

They could've handled it better.' Don't jump the gun just yet. I have read a few places that Tomb raider doesn't work. It's quite posible that sonic was done with the symbian 60 sdk and not the full n-gage sdk. It's not like this is the first time sega has made big errors (Thanks to sega gcn piracy exsist). It could be that nokia lied and there is nothing different between n-gage games and symbian 60 games.

Sis Free N-gage Games

On top of this nokia wasn't technicaly lying. N-gage games can't just pop in another symbian 60 phone and work. The games had to be hacked and then another tool was made to get the game to run on other phones. It would be like saying nintendo lies to us with the 'only on gameboy' logo since gba games can be played on other platforms via emulation. Sure this is not as complex as emulation but it doesn't just work out of the box either.

Don't forget, the only thing stopping people is the 'legal' aspect. They could've easily said that while some of our games MIGHT work on symbian compatible phones, to do so would be in violation of copyright laws. Of course, we all knew cards wouldn't work if plugged in directly to another phone. If they did work, Nokia would be under serious hot water with it.

The real problem is, this is another example of their track-record when it comes to telling us the truth. Don't come out flat and say, 'they will NOT work,' and expect people to do nothing. It's why I said earlier that it's a lesson that I hope they learned; people WILL try to do it if you tell them it can't be done. And legally isn't enough to stop them, don't throw that bone and expect the problem to go away. Tell it like it is, then when someone comes out and goes, 'Hey look!

N-Gage games work on my Siemens SX1 smartphone,' people will go, 'Ok, so tell us something we don't already know?' SirDragoon, Sorry but that's just bending people's words. It don't work that way. Like an example. I can play gameboy games on a n-gage if I wanted to, should I go tell nintendo they lied to me with the 'only on gb' they put on a few games since I was able to play it else where? It was though illegal (or legal if you want to get into that matter) means but I still am able to play it.

If the means to play something does something illegal, it does not go against what the company said. Modifing software with out consent from the publisher is illegal period. So not only is the version of sonic running on the xs1 illegal it also can only be run with extra software (they had to create an app to be able to get it to run, they didn't just copy it to another mmc and it worked). So no matter how much you want to bend nokia's words, they did not lie period. On top of it, no proof has come out to prove all games work. Like I said only sonic has been shown but no pictures or anything of other n-gage games have surfaced (and more then sonic is cracked). But you are basing your remarks to my comments as if it's an emulator.

An emulator and an installer are 2 very different beasts. An installer implies that the games only need said installer to install the game on another MMC card. After that, the installer (your extra program!) is no longer needed.

Don't you see where I'm coming from here? Some games are running ON OTHER PHONES and the only thing that happened is cracking the game and installing it on another MMC card. Anyway, I went on a short google searching, and I'm getting mixed results. Some people say emulator, while others (moderators being some) are saying it's getting installed onto MMC cards, and ran directly. My opinion, the info sounds like it talks about an installer.

One of the videos on the club-siemens site shows icons on the phone itself, showing a graphic and the name of the game. If it were an emulator, one would think you'd load the emulator, then select the game. The videos did not show that, so it.could. rule out the emulator part.

I'm sure more info will come out later on, once people that have access to stuff talk a little more into detail about it. For now, I based all my comments, and still back them, on the belief that it's an installer.

SirDragoon, You must not comprehend the point I am making. Think of everything in terms of a program. An emulator is a tool to allow you to run software on hardware it was not meant for. I am not saying running sonic on the sx1 is allowed via emulation. I am saying this is possible via software modification and a tool to register/install the game to work with the sx1. Qooqee widget.

Thus it is doing something outside the software’s original intent. So nokia did not lie to it's customers, developers, publishers or media.

Against your statement that nokia did lie to everybody about n-gage software. Stop saying n-gage games are working on other phone's'. This is still not the case.

No proof has come out that this works on any phone but the sx1 or that any game other then sonic works. It could end up being that in the end the sx1 is the only phone out there that will be able to do this.

The sx1 is also not a cheap phone by any means (at least the prices I seen on it when i looked). Big-N128, Yes thanks to a flaw in PSO, Hackers were able to develop tools to dump GCN disc. A few other tools were created allowing for some dumped GCN games to run over the network via the PSO flaw. It hasn't been figured out yet though to use burn disc on the gamecube and some people I know question if it ever will be figured out. SirDragoon, Interesting read. Also you win on one point. You can say Phone's' or game's'.

I just read today that some games do work on nokia's 2 other symbian 60 games and a few more games work on the sx1. Still though no phone is fully compatible (the sx1 can't run a few games and nokias two phones can't run some of the more advance games). In my personal opinion I think this was partly helped by an insider. Either though a developer leaking sdk or priate documents or assisting in the creation of the tools. Sadly most piracy stats with some inside help (either intentionaly or bugs in games). Just to clarify, some of the cracked games do not work on other Symbian phones.

Even the new 6600. The N-Gage, amongst other things has more ram then the 3650 and even the newer 6600 can't run them all. The games that the other Symbian phones seem to be able to run, are the simpler games that didn't take full advantage of what the N-Gage can do.

I think the 'oh the hackers cracked the code allready' stuff is a bit off. First off, it took them over a month and they were not working with the complexities of a ROM media format. Contrast that to the instant GBA piracy, which involved little trouble at all. In truth the GBA has no piracy protection, you just have to dump the data from what I understand.